Our guest is writer Mike Smith, who was recently recognized as a Notable Essayist by the Best American Essays 2015. Mike also runs a podcast called City on the Edge; writes about music for various publications; and is an excellent dancer. Hosts Peri Pakroo and Clarke Condé chat with Mike about the world of literary journalism, podcasting, and exploring forgotten places in New Mexico.

Thanks as always to Contributing Editor Jeremy Kinter and Turtle O’Toole for running A/V and tech with a buttery touch.

Theme song: “You Know Who You Are” by Sam Miller.